[fluxus] serious games

Thu Jul 19 07:23:39 PDT 2007

The name "game" is troublesome I think, and doesn't really convey the
intent - there just isn't another name which isn't a bit pretentious
("interactive entertainment" bleh :).

But yes, I suppose I like to think of fluxus as being a way to (mis)use
game technology for other things.

fwiw I tried to sign up on that list but it's timing out :(

> i think of fluxus being in this path already, but im not really sure on
> how is a serious game supposed to be, in my father's view game is about
> gambling and he can know nothing about computers, but he is good with
> games so i think that this at least looks like a nice bet, but then like
> in Suzanne's signature subtle things can make more to it than what we
> really intend to do, its all in the eyes of the observer.
>
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> evan.raskob [lists] escreveu:
>> Following up on that, if anyone is interested:
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> *From: *Suzanne Seggerman <suzanne at weblab.org
>>> <mailto:suzanne at weblab.org>>
>>> *Date: *July 18, 2007 11:33:43 AM EDT
>>> *To: *"ITP Alumni" <itp-alumni at forums.nyu.edu
>>> <mailto:itp-alumni at forums.nyu.edu>>
>>> *Subject: **Re: innovative gamers who work on more social issue
>>> projects?*
>>> *Reply-To: *"ITP Alumni" <itp-alumni at forums.nyu.edu
>>> <mailto:itp-alumni at forums.nyu.edu>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everybody,
>>>
>>> Games for Change is the non-profit I co-founded (with Barry Joseph of
>>> Global Kids and Ben Stokes of NetAid), which is sort of like a little
>>> sundance for social-issue video games, supporting a new field like
>>> sundance did for indie films.  We have an annual festival now in its
>>> fourth year, and listserv with close to 1000 people, and are in the
>>> midst of starting a lab at Parsons, the New School.  (Eric Zimmerman
>>> is on our board, BTW, and has been a great supporter.)
>>>
>>> If you want to see some of the games coming out of the community
>>> check out those at our festival last month:
>>> http://gamesforchange.org/conference/2007/expo.php
>>>
>>> And some nice press we've received:
>>> http://gamesforchange.org/conference/2007/press.php
>>>
>>> Here's our web site: http://www.gamesforchange.org
>>> <http://www.gamesforchange.org/>, and the new one will launch within
>>> the month with profiles of all of the games, tutorials, etc.
>>>
>>> We've also been funded by the MacArthur Foundation as part of their
>>> new $50M Digital Media and Learning Initiative, like gameLab's Game
>>> Designer project mentioned below.  MacArthur will be announcing a
>>> competition later this summer to fund individual new media projects -
>>> I will make sure to send the announcement to this list.
>>>
>>> Please feel free to join the community!  (Here's the listserv:
>>> http://www.gamesforchange.org/info/Lists)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Suzanne
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 10:08 AM 7/18/2007, you wrote:
>>>> gamelab is currently working on a game to teach kids concepts of
>>>> game design, basically a combination game and game editor.  can't
>>>> speak about it in detail here unfortunately, but let me know if
>>>> you're interested in hearing more.  also, gamelab completed a game
>>>> last fall called "Ayiti" that involved balancing resources to get a
>>>> haitian family education, food, employment, and other things
>>>> necessary for a good life.  that was in conjunction with Global Kids.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.gamelab.com
>>>> http://www.globalkids.org/
>>>>
>>>> also, mary flanagan, up at hunter, has been working on the Rapunzel
>>>> project for a while (dunno if it's still in active development).
>>>> the idea is to create a game that teaches girls (middle-high
>>>> school-aged i think) how to code and how to use code to create
>>>> digital games.  i believe ITP's daniel howe worked on it too.
>>>>
>>>> -e
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 18, 2007, at 9:41 AM, evan.raskob [lists] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Funny, the email right before yours in my inbox is titled "serious
>>>>> games" and lists these:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> By way of this article:
>>>>> http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/1465/who_says_video_games_have_to_be_.php
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And the irony is that it the article mentions ITP's own Suzanne
>>>>> Seggerman.
>>>>> Ah, serendipity.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Evan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2007, at 8:29 AM, Bruni Burres wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>> I have missing pixel on my list already...
>>>>>> thanks, bruni
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Bruni Burres
>>>>>> Film Festival Director
>>>>>> Human Rights Watch
>>>>>> 350 Fifth Avenue, 34th floor
>>>>>> New York, NY  10118-3299
>>>>>> (tel) 212 216 1264
>>>>>> (fax) 212 736 1300
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>>> Suzanne Seggerman
>>> President, Co-founder
>>> Games for Change
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